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Energy independence won’t guarantee low prices

Fuel Fix -- On the presidential campaign trail, both Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have vowed to break the United States free of foreign oil, offering a pledge of at least North American “energy independence.”

In some ways, that’s an easy promise to make. No matter who resides in the White House for the next four years, the United States is already on a trajectory to derive much of its oil and all of its natural gas from within its own borders, thanks to technologies allowing energy companies to harvest the fossil fuels from dense rock formations.

Tied to global market

But abundant domestic supplies don’t guarantee a drop in the cost of energy. Oil prices are set on a world market, subject to a complex mix of factors outside the United States’ control. And even if net U.S. or North American oil impo

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,580 Points:1,605,520 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 27, 2012 12:04:24 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse how do you figure cheap gas, LG2011? Pig Oil would still sell you a drop of oil / petroleum products for amounts that warrant the term "liquid or black gold."
LiquidGold2011 Sophomore Author California Posts:101 Points:201,915 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 10:26:01 PM Ignore LiquidGold2011 Report Abuse That's correct. OTOH, if the world economy stays in the crapper, cheap gas for all!
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:2,976 Points:593,835 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 1:35:17 PM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
myambro Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,194 Points:1,048,625 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:52:56 PM Ignore myambro Report Abuse I agree with "mikesr100."
mikesr100 Champion Author Sacramento Posts:3,873 Points:1,076,735 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 11:31:44 AM Ignore mikesr100 Report Abuse It's the lack of refineries. Obummer and the EPA again!
remay Champion Author Houston Posts:6,943 Points:2,112,640 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 8:49:26 AM Ignore remay Report Abuse It sure couldn't hurt to try, though.
jrs4125 Champion Author Indiana Posts:2,738 Points:587,745 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 6:46:06 AM Ignore jrs4125 Report Abuse ok
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:32,911 Points:2,341,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 4:53:33 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse Energy independence won’t guarantee low prices, not when Big Oil exports fuel to other countries that will pay more for it. People are driving less and using more fuel efficient vehicles and less fuel is being consumed domestically. Higher fuel prices at the pump makes those EV's and Inbreds look much better don't they! The US ‘oil and natural gas resources’ belong to the citizens of this country and are to be used by those same citizens! Speculators, manipulators and the banks continue to unfairly and unjustly make the driving public pay higher prices at the pump for their personal benefit. The price at the pump needs to go down to $2/gallon, $3, $3.50/gallon or $4.00 is Not the new low! Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, has a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
tidalwave3 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:1,293 Points:1,459,230 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 3:35:03 AM Ignore tidalwave3 Report Abuse suzmar is correct ..."It sure wont hurt! It is a supply and demand problem, if there is more supply, it makes sense that prices will not be as volatile, not to mention we won't be sending our money to finance foreign extremist governments."
Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:3,749 Points:555,690 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:37:21 AM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse Energy analysts say the optimistic forecasts ignore the "RAPID DECLINE" rates from hydraulically fractured wells. “You almost always find the biggest and best stuff in the beginning. The longer you are in the basin, the smaller the fields and the "MORE EXPENSIVE" it gets to produce,” said Art Berman, a Sugar Land energy consultant. “People are forgetting that.” Wells in the Bakken and Eagle Ford formations generally produce a lot of oil initially, but that starts "DROPPING FAST". Estimated decline rates... about 40 percent – which means just keeping production flat requires drilling hundreds of new wells each year. (That's why we are hearing the mantra... Drill Baby Drill) Berman suggests that the question isn’t whether the U.S. has enough oil to become energy independent, "BUT AT WHAT PRICE". (Drill Baby Drill = Consumer Will Pay Baby Pay)
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,672 Points:534,045 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:28:49 AM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse Of course not. Whatever happened to the idea of supply and demand? It's manipulate and screw!
dancygreen Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,048 Points:481,860 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:28:08 AM Ignore dancygreen Report Abuse complex mix of factors my big white butt! the only factors are the greed and power addictions of policticians and corporations
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,830 Points:1,608,250 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:21:46 AM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse “Our current leader is all mouth and no action.” And the proposed replacement is better? Romney says he will lower income taxes by closing loopholes and removing deductions. When asked (repeatedly) which deductions, he says just elect me and I will negotiate with Congress to get it done. That plan has worked so well in the past . . . color me skeptical.
gaspumpin Champion Author Indiana Posts:1,648 Points:384,440 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:14:03 AM Ignore gaspumpin Report Abuse Maybe energy independence won't create low prices, but it sure will help create JOBS!
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,448 Points:658,200 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:13:48 AM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse I would rather not be held hostage by some Middle East Sheik.
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,208 Points:868,310 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:06:07 AM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse Well, it sure wont hurt! It is a supply and demand problem, if there is more supply, it makes sense that prices will not be as volatile, not to mention we won't be sending our money to finance foreign extremist governments.
Bud122CA Champion Author California Posts:7,446 Points:1,601,100 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:04:49 AM Ignore Bud122CA Report Abuse Our current leader is all mouth and no action. He has proven this. Lets try some "CHANGE" and see if there is some improvement?
drewsworld Sophomore Author Los Angeles Posts:240 Points:19,105 Joined:Aug 2012	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:03:57 AM Ignore drewsworld Report Abuse Just saw on the news today how california has passed a law on autonomous vehicles. Its pretty cool they are driver less vehicles. I was riding next to one the other day. It will save us from vehicle accidents and speeding which will save money. They are designed by Google here in the Bay Area....
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:2,339 Points:519,235 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:00:41 AM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse not with speculation jacking prices up and refineries playing games to keep their wallets fat.
carpenter4u Champion Author Virginia Posts:2,431 Points:612,320 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Sep 26, 2012 12:00:11 AM Ignore carpenter4u Report Abuse Obama and Romney have totally different ways of doing this.... I say Drill Here Drill now
car15 Rookie Author Fort Worth Posts:90 Points:631,725 Joined:Oct 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:52:25 PM Ignore car15 Report Abuse Ok
OGW Champion Author London Posts:5,324 Points:1,529,650 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:48:44 PM Ignore OGW Report Abuse The price will be driven by world oil prices regardless where the oil comes from.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,902 Points:1,570,980 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:45:32 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse we need to be independent
kcboy Champion Author Utah Posts:3,948 Points:1,503,800 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:45:30 PM Ignore kcboy Report Abuse ok
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:44:21 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse hper said, "Just take US oil off the world market." Big Oil says, "No." Now, how do you intend to persuade them?
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:42:45 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse No guarantee that Romney will be good with the doing, either, @hank1326. Mitt still hasn't leveled with the American people about how he intends to fix America. He's long on platitudes but very short on specifics.
rasprout Champion Author Tacoma Posts:3,367 Points:1,218,060 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:42:39 PM Ignore rasprout Report Abuse Should this surprise anyone?
zantor Veteran Author San Bernardino Posts:258 Points:53,025 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:41:45 PM Ignore zantor Report Abuse oh
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:40:42 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse You may get your wish sooner than you think, @DEG. Brent crude from the North Sea is drying up at an alarming rate. Great Britain stopped being a net oil exporter years ago and Norway will follow them soon.
Holly123 Champion Author Charlotte Posts:3,182 Points:786,210 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:40:28 PM Ignore Holly123 Report Abuse No, but it may help.
DriverofRed Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,153 Points:407,885 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:39:55 PM Ignore DriverofRed Report Abuse k
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:38:18 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse I hear what you're saying, @mstearno, but Big Oil doesn't drill when prices are low. They only produce when they can make the most profit. Overproduction may guarantee supply but it also drives down the price of oil, since a glut of supply will outstrip demand.
ty58 Veteran Author Akron Posts:320 Points:481,380 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:38:07 PM Ignore ty58 Report Abuse so we stop paying them for the oil and we start paying somebody else here in the us but that doesn't mean it will cost us less to drive
Chas58 All-Star Author Detroit Posts:947 Points:280,425 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:36:56 PM Ignore Chas58 Report Abuse k
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,757 Points:640,400 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:36:12 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse The supply always goes to the highest bidder. There will always be large swings in prices because that is how speculators make money.
Aviator_Rob Champion Author New York Posts:3,776 Points:409,865 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:34:47 PM Ignore Aviator_Rob Report Abuse Thank you, @defiancegasman, for making that statement perfectly. Our energy resorces should be solely for domestic use, not to fatten up Big Oil's bottom line. If they want to sell oil on the open market, they can drill for that oil outside the U.S. Domestic production should only be for domestic consumption.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,285 Points:1,633,945 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:34:44 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse WE SHALL SEE!
gd83goldwinger Champion Author South Bend Posts:1,428 Points:501,230 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:34:02 PM Ignore gd83goldwinger Report Abuse Ya, but it would help in not having big swings in costs to consumers.
mstearno Champion Author Dayton Posts:8,043 Points:1,727,235 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:31:07 PM Ignore mstearno Report Abuse deela is correct but more energy stops huge swings when nuts like Iran pound their fist...they become less signifcant
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,780 Points:814,335 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:30:55 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse Hmmmmmm...
Double_Golden Champion Author San Francisco Posts:2,540 Points:601,385 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:29:28 PM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse can we said now that our gov't is greed...
DeeLA Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:4,792 Points:1,360,355 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:27:46 PM Ignore DeeLA Report Abuse As long as our forms of energy are produced and marketed by private enterprise, "the sale goes to the highest bidder". If the natural resource is purchased at a high price, the end product will be also be high to the consumer. Econ. 101
joeschmo12 Champion Author New York Posts:1,001 Points:301,715 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:27:14 PM Ignore joeschmo12 Report Abuse True that to the fat cats
drz614 Champion Author Harrisburg Posts:2,279 Points:594,370 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:26:52 PM Ignore drz614 Report Abuse ok
radiorumor Champion Author Texas Posts:2,792 Points:749,860 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:25:54 PM Ignore radiorumor Report Abuse When you are campaigning you can promise anything. Getting it done is a different world.
Beaveronparade Champion Author Hartford Posts:2,096 Points:631,395 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:25:47 PM Ignore Beaveronparade Report Abuse There are no guarantees in life but I think everyone would agree that Independance is a step in the right direction.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,285 Points:1,633,945 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:22:44 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse WE SHALL SEE!
SavALot Champion Author Virginia Beach Posts:8,449 Points:1,707,460 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:18:56 PM Ignore SavALot Report Abuse Nothing ever guarantees low prices; that's common knowledge
defiancegasman Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,069 Points:1,321,210 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:17:25 PM Ignore defiancegasman Report Abuse US produced OIL is a NATIONAL RESOURCE and should be used by the USA, for the USA, just like all the OTHER OIL PRODUCING NATIONS DO!! Profits from US OIL should go to the US, NOT to GIANT OIL COMPANIES. They should be forced to BUY the oil from the USA at MARKET PRICES, NOT JUST PAY A ROYALTY SOME OF THE TIME!!! All the money from the US OIL should be used to help ALL US CITIZENS by either lowering the cost of ALL ENERGY in the USA or be used to LOWER THE NATIONAL DEBT!!
skyking19 Champion Author Little Rock Posts:1,995 Points:1,695,970 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Sep 25, 2012 11:15:01 PM Ignore skyking19 Report Abuse Global economy will have an impact as well.