jrs4125

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Indiana
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 8:07:43 AM
More demand means higher profits. Consumer looses again.
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 12:03:05 AM
Big Corn and the Reps. from the corn states love E15.
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NHLiveFree

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New Hampshire
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Message Posted: May 1, 2012 12:01:22 AM
Ralph Nader's next book will be 'Unsafe in Any Tank'.
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SammyAdams

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 11:12:16 PM
From the article: "In Congress, Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., is pushing a bill to halt introduction of E15 and conduct more research. "I think this is outrageous," he said. "The government is telling consumers to use a product that the manufacturer of their car says will ... void the warranty." ====================================================================
It is neither the Federal government's to either push or prohibit the blending or sale of ethanol into fuels. If the people desire E-10 or E-15 and there are companies who wish to provide it to their customers, then we should let it happen.
By the same token, if folks don't want to use ethanol blended fuels, they shouldn't be forced to decide between "What percentage of ethanol would you like to use in your car?" Leave the decision to the market. The studies that I have seen show ethanol blended fuels to be hazardous to gasoline engines.
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aquarinut

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British Columbia
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:14:53 PM
Wonder if there's room for a class action lawsuit for vehicle, marine and small engine damage against the ethanol manufactures and distributors??
They are after all, knowingly producing, promoting and distributing a product known to be harmful to engines and fuel systems that have not had the chance to adjust to the rapid deployment and increase of their product??
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blupupher

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Houston
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:54:44 PM
e-15: the solution that fixes nothing and actually makes things worse.
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CVA19

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Salem
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 5:10:55 PM
No conflict here. I'll avoid it like the plague as long as I can. Hopefully, it will be repealed by President Romney and a more business- and consumer-minded Congress early next year.
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mike1881

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Fayetteville
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 2:51:59 PM
Great, less MPG's and more problems for cars.
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ClarkSC

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South Carolina
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 2:22:01 PM
Keep it.
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doctorindyj

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Santa Fe
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 1:30:20 PM
I would trust the engineers who make these things more than the EPA on what should go in them. The only problem is we will probably have no choice. I seriously don't see gas stations adding any extra pumps or infrastructure to accommodate this so they will probably just substitute.
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tnfran

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Arizona
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 1:14:34 PM
The "Stupids in the EPA and stupid can't be fixed". Lets "CHANGE" things in NOV and kick out the 'liberals whoever they are'.
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dr047

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Cleveland
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 11:54:24 AM
2011 Ford Focus gas cap states: Do Not Use E15
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deputydog082

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Detroit
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 11:03:47 AM
corn belongs in the food chain not the gas tank!
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ktyson13

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Maryland
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:32:08 AM
We should boycott all ethanol products. The problem is gas stations don't carry the standard gas anymore. Thanks Democrats!
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FPLREP

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Virginia
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:29:47 AM
EPA is turning into America's worst nightmare. Decision making without any considration as to how it affects the public. Typical bureaucracy.
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graceman

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Baltimore
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:10:28 AM
Just another feather in the corn farmers hat.
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BuckyTJones

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Salt Lake City
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 10:05:47 AM
Its really too bad we don't have a choice.
If we did, our leaders would hear our voice. No sales
No Ethanol!
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DOS

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Illinois
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:58:29 AM
I'm not really surprised, It seems foolish to expect these older vehicles to work with E-15. The market for E-15 would only start with the current model year that it hits the market. Although the GM flex fuel vehicles can use E-15 without a hitch, I was surprised to learn that some GM vehicles can't use E-15.
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Night Owl

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Toronto
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:57:26 AM
My car was made in 2000. Keep that ethanol crap away from me.
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molebaby96

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Tallahassee
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:54:52 AM
More bad news on the ethanol front.
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MontanaMac

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Washington
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:53:56 AM
End the ethanol program now.
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VomVom

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Calgary
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:53:49 AM
Another one of Obama's dogmatic ideological intransigence.
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car253

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Ohio
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:50:56 AM
I will not use it.
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Skunk63

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Phoenix
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:47:43 AM
No amount of Ethanol is good for your vehicle.
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herndonks

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Baltimore
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:45:58 AM
Beware, EPA will not care if you ruin your engine with E15 gas. Years ago they forced the amount of sulfur in diesel to be reduced, and said that it would not affect engines. The reality is, it does affect older diesel engines not designed to run on low-sulfur fuel. The engine life of many agriculture equipment items (tractors, etc.) was shortened. EPA denied this and simply did not care. So again, BEWARE when EPA tells you it is safe to burn E15 in your vehicles.
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humblepie

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Toledo
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:40:23 AM
when no one buys it, will they take the hint ?
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swepson

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Greensboro
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:39:48 AM
Depends on the vehicle. Would never put it in something I don't use every day. I don't like using E10
[Edited by: swepson at 4/30/2012 9:41:55 AM EST]
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mitchells

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Montreal
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:39:37 AM
What about older cars? I have a 2001, and I don't think it can handle E15, let alone my 1967 MGB. Where are we supposed to get non-E15 gas for older vehicles?
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leraar2

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Massachusetts
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Message Posted: Apr 30, 2012 9:38:58 AM
hope the flex-fuel pumps have an option to select E-0 gas.
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