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At doomed Peugeot plant, talk of betrayal and war

Reuters -- Auto body painter Kamel Yousfi's extended family emigrated from Algeria to work for Peugeot-Citroen in the 1970s. So news that the factory outside Paris where he has worked for most of his adult life will close came as an unforgiveable betrayal.

His emotional response: to declare "war" on the company.

Yousfi's rage reflected the attitudes of dozens of unionized workers at the sprawling plant in the suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois as they digested Thursday's announcement that their workplace would be shuttered in 2014.

The furious response to the closure, which loss-making PSA Peugeot says is necessary due to overcapacity, stems partly from a Marxist-inspired union culture that casts relations between workers and management as a zero-sum class struggle.

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Submitted Jul 14, 2012 By: Mudsprings

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,650 Points:1,612,445 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 6:03:23 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Old companies, didn't keep up with the times.
MikeMotorhead All-Star Author Detroit Posts:752 Points:529,055 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 11:39:08 PM Ignore MikeMotorhead Report Abuse tomok, I doubt you would feel that way if it was your job/company going away.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,095 Points:2,349,510 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 5:28:28 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse It's much better being pissed off than pissed on. If the car company cannot make a profit, there is no sense of it being in business. This is the way a normal business and economy works. Things are developed, people see a need and the product comes into use and then other things are no longer needed, can't make a profit and fades away. The same exact thing has happened in the US and many other countries. Build quality stuff at a reasonable price and the company will stay in business. That's life in today's and past economies, deal with it! Do Not rely on the government to help you, help yourself with your own sweat and determination. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,551 Points:769,545 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 2:35:41 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse Economics 101 -- When the cost of resources such as labor, materials, required energy and equipment added to the governmental tax burdens exceeds the amount that the products or services produced can support by its sales price, the company, commune, organization, or individual must cease production in its current location (city, state or country) and go out of business or move the business to a location where the cumulative cost of production can be supported by the sales price of the product or service produced. Radical socialistic unionism coupled with high taxes to support a socialistic society will eventually compel all businesses that wish to remain in business to relocate to a location (city, state or country) where the business can survive. Take a good look at Sweden, France, New York, Michigan and California for current examples.
NorthglennBill Champion Author Denver Posts:7,442 Points:1,475,845 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 12:32:47 AM Ignore NorthglennBill Report Abuse Wasn't there about the same attitude in Detroit a couple of years ago. And where did that get the - bankruptcy.
GordoM Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,008 Points:997,470 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 12:26:11 AM Ignore GordoM Report Abuse "zero-sum class struggle". What a sad simplistic economic philosophy. There is no free lunch. Every business must compete in a world marketplace. If government, labor, or any factor demands too much, the business must eventually go elsewhere or die.
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